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THE MOST DREADED QUESTION WE RECEIVE

"JOHN I WOULD LIKE A LOFT CONVERSION WITH A FULL-WIDTH DORMER TO INCORPORATE A LARGE BEDROOM AND AN EN-SUITE, WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO HAVE A DOUBLE-STOREY SIDE EXTENSION TO ACHIEVE TWO BEDROOMS ON THE FIRST FLOOR. WE WOULD LIKE TO START IN 2 MONTHS TIME WITH ALL THE WORKS AND BUILD ALL AT THE SAME TIME CAN YOU HELP US?"

SIMPLE? NO NOT AT ALL - WE SPEND USUALLY 50 MINUTES ON THE PHONE EXPLAINING TO CLIENTS IN NEED OF THIS DESIGN SO WE HAVE MADE THIS

We will try to explain to you to in simple terms why we cannot just design a loft and double storey together. The council do not make this easy for us too as you can get designs approved under different applications and the same design refused by making another application. 

LETS START WITH THE LOFT CONVERSION HIP TO GABLE DESIGN EXPLANATION

To get a hip to gable loft conversion with a full width rear dormer passed by the planners you will need to apply for a certificate of lawfulness. The planners will pass this design based on volumes, 40sqm3 for a terraced and 50sqm3 for a semi detached or a detached property. You will need to build the loft conversion and then apply for the double storey side extension and apply for planning permission. A house holders application for the double storey side will then be issued to the council based on your loft and gable wall profile built as completed meaning EXISTING. A site visit for the proposed double storey side extension will take place and it will be the judge of the planners to agree on the proposed development.

Build loft first

1st

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DOUBLE STOREY

HIP TO GABLE

Under a certificate of lawfulness

Householders application

"Apply for double storey side and then build after loft is complete"

2nd

THE REASON WHY YOU NEED TO DO THIS IN THIS ORDER IS THAT IF YOU APPLY FOR PLANNING PERMISSION FOR A COMBINED LOFT AND DOUBLE STOREY AS LIKE THE PHOTO ABOVE THE PLANNERS WILL REFUSE THE COMBINED BASED ON THE SPD GUIDANCE POLICY

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Hip to gable under a householders 

application will be refused based on impact of symmetry of neighboring property's and will effect street scene

(But will be acceptable under a certificate of lawfulness)

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Double storey side extension would be acceptable however no future loft conversion such as a hip to gable be permitted, which in some cases loose value to the house

THE FINAL CONCLUSION TO GET THE BUILD DONE AT THE SAME TIME WOULD BE TO GET TWO SETS OF DRAWINGS IN PLACE

DESIGN ONE WILL BE

EXISTING PLANS DRAWN AS YOUR HOUSE IS NOW

PROPOSED PLANS DRAWN WITH LOFT CONVERSION

DESIGN TWO WILL BE

EXISTING PLANS DRAWN WITH THE LOFT BUILT

PROPOSED PLANS DRAWN WITH DOUBLE STOREY

Design one is the loft conversion, as you don't need planning permission for the loft conversion as it comes under permitted development; we would still advise regretting for a certificate of lawfulness to get the approval from the council as the council will review all drawings and do background checks on the property in question. To obtain a certificate of lawfulness, it will take 8 weeks for a decision to be made. Then, once approved, register and submit the second double-storey side or rear extension design to the council under a householder's application. The new drawings will reflect the dormer loft design as existing, with a reference number showing the passed project being approved. This new second application should take no more than a week to be validated. The case officer will then make a judgement on the proposed double-storey side or rear extension being put forward interlinking with the dormer; now, if the design fits all planning policies, there should be no reason to get approval on the double side or rear extension on week 8, which is the decision day. Then, your builder will be able to build everything as a combined project. New drawings will need to be created to show the combined double-storey and loft conversion together, and registration to building control will need to happen for their team to review and approve the design. Engineering calculations will then need to be produced for the entire project to be also submitted to building control for checking and compliance. Using any private building control company is highly advisable as the council has a bad reputation in this area. This is the normal, practicable way, but in the real world, the council can make everyone's life hell by refusing the second application without any warning, so there are no guarantees.

SELECTION OF DOUBLES ADDED TO LOFT DESIGNS

ACHIEVING THE MAXIMUM SPACE TO YOUR HOME

I hope you understood this article and find it useful for your proposals we just want you to get the right results and not to make a mistake in doing the build the wrong way around as this could affect the sale to the next purchaser. Regards John.

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